Legitimate street gangs

No, not the cast of a West Side Story Broadway revival. This is a Wikipedia blog; obviously an oxymoron that silly could only occur at articles for deletion.

Kudos to Ilyrwch for the best post of the day.

Durova, don't you know if you buy a license from San Diego county you can make your gang legitimate? The sheriff's office makes an extra effort to go after the gangs who didn't buy licenses. (That's how the 42nd Street Mooks were put out of business.) Gangs can get into a lot of trouble just for not paying their $100 to the county clerk. -- llywrch (talk) 05:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Complete text below:

List of San Diego County Gangs

List of San Diego County Gangs (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Almost entirely unsourced list that is unverifiable and unmaintainable. Kevin (talk) 10:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

• Delete-Per Kevin--Skater (talk) 11:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Obviously unreliable. They left out the Westside Wiki Witches. Durova^Charge! 16:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC) stews
• Two Questions - (1) Why would something be unmaintainable? To maintain it, all you have to do is add new gangs when they crop up. (2) Did you try sourcing the list? Can it be sourced? If so, it should be tagged as such, and not deleted. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 18:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I tried sourcing the list, but was unable to. I also asked the original author to add sources, and then waited to see if this happened, which it did not. Kevin (talk) 21:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - All content that I spot-checked in the article is not verifiable on the internet. Some (or all) of this is probably a hoax. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 18:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Don't Delete Why delete this? These are legitimate street gangs in San Diego. This page may help parents and law enforcement in San Diego County recognize gang monikers. This page is well organized-more so that most of the other gang lists on wiki. The content is verifiable on the internet. I went to the websites that were listed as the sources. One website (streetgangs.com) is ran by a PhD who specializes in gang culture.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.80.234 (talk)
  • "Legitimate street gangs": isn't that an oxymoron? Durova^Charge! 20:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Durova, don't you know if you buy a license from San Diego county you can make your gang legitimate? The sheriff's office makes an extra effort to go after the gangs who didn't buy licenses. (That's how the 42nd Street Mooks were put out of business.) Gangs can get into a lot of trouble just for not paying their $100 to the county clerk. -- llywrch (talk) 05:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Do not delete I don't understand why someone would think this page is a hoax. I work with ex-gangmembers and active gang members from Southeast and South Bay San Diego near downtown as a couselor. The enteries are legitimate. In fact, there are some gangs that are not on that list. I am assuming that the author is either in law enforcement or is a gang couselor, since the enteries also include initials and numbers associated with the gangs. The info here is very detailed, which makes doubt that a layman wrote the list.70.179.24.17 (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: This user's first ever edit was to this page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:ATP and a resouding lack of sufficient WP:V for the negatives portrayed. This is a legal headache waiting to happen. Jclemens (talk) 20:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Don't Delete Legal headache??? LOL Over what?? That list is a good resource. There are a lot of gang lists on wiki. Why is everybody up in arms over this one. This page is put together well. Maybe they should lock it for editing, so people cannot vandalize it. That makes more sense that deleting the whole page. 99.174.244.164 (talk) 21:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: This user's first ever edit was to this page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• Comment While a list of criminal gangs in San Diego (or any city) is possible on one level -- namely compiling a list of groups mentioned in news & police reports -- the problem is that both sources do get facts for a number of reasons. Probably the most important one is that informants & gang members lie. So the article title probably should be "List of alleged San Diego county Gangs". And a last point -- I find it odd that 3 different anon IPs all vote "Don't delete", not "Keep". -- llywrch (talk) 05:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete I failed just like LinguistAtLarge when I tried to verify the contents including an attempt at the mentioned website. To the people questioning the discussion: Wikipedia reports on what is verifiable. Proof it is verifiable instead of making empty claims and we'd be happy to listen. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - unverifiable. Concerning the (alleged) existence of other gang lists on Wikipedia, this is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument; we're only discussing this list. If this list is a useful resource, it will have to be hosted somewhere else. -kotra (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Not important. Most of these gangs wouldn't be notable enough anyway. Enough said. --Sky Attacker (talk) 02:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)