tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12886811.post8167677738849358106..comments2024-03-06T19:01:26.120-08:00Comments on Durova: Everything I really need to know about copyright I learned in first gradeLise Broerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15087397520904837725noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12886811.post-91017161770670870012008-06-18T16:27:00.000-07:002008-06-18T16:27:00.000-07:00Nice analogy, and nice formulation at the end ther...Nice analogy, and nice formulation at the end there. I've added a modified version to http://www.appropedia.org/Appropedia:CopyrightsChris Watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17537287113149081305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12886811.post-68022410729911514182008-06-15T16:37:00.000-07:002008-06-15T16:37:00.000-07:00Absolutely, Joshua. Good points. In fact I'll wr...Absolutely, Joshua. Good points. In fact I'll write my next post in relation to one aspect that some of this blog's readers may be able to address.Lise Broerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15087397520904837725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12886811.post-52151113017619252492008-06-15T13:55:00.000-07:002008-06-15T13:55:00.000-07:00This doesn't deal with how many different copyrigh...This doesn't deal with how many different copyright issues we actually have on Wikipedia.<BR/><BR/>For example, there are many images with unclear copyrights where it is likely that it would be impossible to trace the images to their appropriate holder and that if there is a holder they don't even realize they have the rights. This is frequently the case with old pictures taken in the United States for example. If we were to continue your analogy this would be like if one found a crayon on the ground, far from the school, on a busy road, used the crayon briefly and then put it back when one were done. <BR/><BR/>There is also the similar situation of images that have a high probability of being public domain but we can't prove it.<BR/><BR/>And if we go over to other Wikimedia projects one has even thornier situations. For example, on the English Wikinews there has been for a long time a policy of keeping all articles archived in a final form so someone can see exactly what that article looked like at the time. Now, some of the older articles had fair use images that were clearly legally fair use but were not strict enough to be fair use under the current Foundation guidelines. The question then becomes should those pictures be deleted even though it will give us an inaccurate archive of our news coverage?<BR/><BR/>These are but a few of the issues that one can get, and all of them come up even before one starts to think about copyrights in foreign countries. I'm also not going to discuss the issue of whether copyright violation is really akin to stealing(this is a complicated question more so than proponents on either side of that particularly issue would like to admit) <BR/><BR/>Overall, copyright is a complicated issue. While this post might be a good explanation for why we need to pay attention to copyright it is at best extreme hyperbole to say that this is all one needs to know.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637936588223855248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12886811.post-84707758994049183602008-06-15T08:30:00.000-07:002008-06-15T08:30:00.000-07:00Actually the school's policy was to require studen...Actually the school's policy was to require students to supply certain materials, including a set of crayons and a plastic bin to keep the items beneath the child's desk. Obviously the parents had purchased the crayons for her and could regain control of them anytime they liked, but the contents of each bin were treated as that child's property.Lise Broerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15087397520904837725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12886811.post-12784086596371212522008-06-15T05:29:00.000-07:002008-06-15T05:29:00.000-07:00You gave me a twist at the end there. When I read...You gave me a twist at the end there. When I read your analogy I thought it was obvious the teacher was being obnoxious. Thinking about it, the analogy is legally flawed in many ways. The crayon was most likely owned by either the girl's parents or the school, and the teacher, not the girl, was the trustee. In any case, if the girl were the owner, and she was allowed to grant license to use the property without the consent of her parents, then I definitely think there would be an implied license granted for the other girl to use the crayon.<BR/><BR/>Bringing this back to copyright law, which is much different from law over physical property, I agree with you that one does not lose eir copyright by repeatedly granting a permissive license. But there certainly are implied licenses, and there also is fair use.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379549043257401507noreply@blogger.com